Rage.

"mkbruin, Atlas VP" (mkbruin)
05/11/2016 at 13:55 • Filed to: None

Two weeks ago I was shifted under a different manager. That manager just completely fucked me on my end of year review.

My contribution to this company has saved millions of dollars, and far exceeds this shithole review. I’ve killed myself for the past year running my division, now i get screwed. I’m wavering between rage and apathy.

DISCUSSION (28)

StingrayJake > mkbruin, Atlas VP
05/11/2016 at 13:59

Who is John Galt?

JustAnotherG6 > mkbruin, Atlas VP
05/11/2016 at 14:02

Rightfully pissed. Sorry you got shit on.

Nibby > mkbruin, Atlas VP
05/11/2016 at 14:07

Tell them I will vouch for you. They will never mistreat you again.

themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles > mkbruin, Atlas VP
05/11/2016 at 14:10

Leave them. It is rare for a company to turn around and get better. If they know you’ll put up with it, the treatment will continue.

Cherry_man1 > mkbruin, Atlas VP
05/11/2016 at 14:12

Personally I would quit if they did that to me. Like fuck that noise.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > mkbruin, Atlas VP
05/11/2016 at 14:15

Consider visiting HR?

Steve is equipped with Electronic Fool Injection > mkbruin, Atlas VP
05/11/2016 at 14:16

I’d love to see an annual review - or even any sort of feedback on how I’m doing...

Mid Engine > mkbruin, Atlas VP
05/11/2016 at 14:23

Happened to me and it was completely uncalled for. I almost beat the living shit out of the douchebag, in hindsight I wish I had.

Ash78, voting early and often > mkbruin, Atlas VP
05/11/2016 at 14:25

There’s no way the new manager should have done the review — it should have been a team effort between the old and new one. Nothing else makes sense. Most reviews request your "countersignature" on them (with rebuttal, if needed). I would politely request your old manager be allowed to do a review on you, given the circumstances. First, take a short walk, though! :D

Future next gen S2000 owner > mkbruin, Atlas VP
05/11/2016 at 14:35

Quit, annual reviews are bullshit. They won’t follow you to your next job.

Ash78, voting early and often > Steve is equipped with Electronic Fool Injection
05/11/2016 at 14:40

Seriously....I worked almost 10 years in both retail and office professional jobs before I ever saw a review that I didn't specifically ask for. I think 90% of jobs are like that. In some ways, it's better because standard review schedules are usually an excuse to give everyone a 2% raise, regardless of how good they are. I've had better luck in "non-review" companies making my case for a raise.

PotbellyJoe and 42 others > mkbruin, Atlas VP
05/11/2016 at 14:42

I lodged a rebuttal on a review with a boss who had screwed me (laughably for anyone aware of the situation) it turned into a documentation fight and ended when they were terminated 3 months later. It was the hardest 3 months of my career.

Do what you need to feel justified, but if you do challenge the review, make sure your feelings can be justified first.

this kind of stuff sucks, and I feel for you in your angrapathy

Steve is equipped with Electronic Fool Injection > Ash78, voting early and often
05/11/2016 at 14:46

I did over a decade in call centers and in the one place I had monthly and quarterly reviews, I saw my pay increase by ~27% over the course of two years before a promotion. My current boss is a total prick who wouldn’t even give his drivers a $.25/hour raise after five years of service. The sunroof installer with 20 years experience has been on him for a raise for the past year, but his main reply is “go to piecework. You’ll make more.”

I won’t even approach him because of his attitude. But it’d be good to know what I do well and what I need to improve.

Ash78, voting early and often > Steve is equipped with Electronic Fool Injection
05/11/2016 at 14:51

I could see monthly and quarterly reviews working in your favor, for sure — a manager can only do so many glowing reviews before they’re pressured to pay up. I was just talking annual reviews — many times I saw people (myself and people I mentored) get blown off because “annual reviews are right around the corner” or “you just had your review.” So what might have been a one-time 10% raise can turn into a situation where “We gave you 3% instead of the company budgeted 2%! Aren't you happy?!"

Die-Trying > mkbruin, Atlas VP
05/11/2016 at 15:00

if there is a comment section on your review........ write a book. tell them what is on your mind. if no comment section, tell them that you disagree, and youre not signing it.

Spaze > mkbruin, Atlas VP
05/11/2016 at 15:20

Time to go above his head and maybe even to HR. I’d simply say that if you were just moved to this new person he is incapable of writing you a just and fair review.

Rust and Dust - Oppositelock Forever > mkbruin, Atlas VP
05/11/2016 at 15:20

Kinja'd!!!

Your boy, BJR > mkbruin, Atlas VP
05/11/2016 at 15:20

Sounds like it’s time for a rebuttal. Try this one:

Kinja'd!!!

Xyl0c41n3 > mkbruin, Atlas VP
05/11/2016 at 15:21

Every review I’ve ever been subjected to required that I sign it afterwards, with a section to rebut anything I disagreed with. That was after sitting and listening to the review, then discussing it with my reviewer.

I would ask to go over the problem areas of your review and ask to be re-evaluated by someone who has more closely supervised your work. If that’s not on the table, then I would offer the counterpoints you mention here, about saving the company millions of dollars and of the deep commitment you’ve shown the company over the last year by being a leader for your division. Give concrete examples. “I spearheaded X project, which generated Y million dollars.” “I restructured Z project, which has led to a __ percent increase in production.” That type of thing.

Then again, this might be a sign that it’s time to leave the company. I once worked for a place where I put in all my blood, sweat and tears. Never said no to overtime, volunteered for additional projects, innovated then-current workflows. I was well respected among my peers in-house and at sister offices. I received accolades for my work. Similarly, I was very well respected by members of the community I worked with (to this day, many of the people I met then are still friends). Due to several factors outside my control, I was eventually under the management of a person who made it a point to drive employees to quitting or getting fired. This manager would pick one person and hound them into the ground, then move on to the next. In my time at the company, this manager was solely responsible for all the turnover that occurred. Eventually, this manager set their targets on me. As I sat for an annual review one year, almost the entire thing was negative. The only positive thing they said? That I knew the geographical region well. Like... seriously. That’s it. A point that had little bearing on my actual job.

I felt very similar to how you’re feeling now. My commitment to and passion for my work kept me there longer than I should have been. So... take a moment. Be angry. But then take a breath and re-evaluate whether this is just the bullshit opinion of a bullshit manager, or if this is the writing on the wall for you to get out.

Good luck.

Chariotoflove > mkbruin, Atlas VP
05/11/2016 at 15:24

Wisdom says that if you rock the boat, you may get a rep for causing trouble and hurt yourself in the end. But, my experience has taught me that you need to stand up for yourself for two reasons. One, shit stays on your record and can bite you down the road when you don’t expect it. If you can document, then you need to set the record straight. Two, complaining officially kind of inoculates you against further assassination by this person, since most companies have HR rules against retaliation for a complaint. By bringing it out in the open and formally, you protect yourself. Which is not to say you take such a step lightly. But, it is worth considering.

DrJohannVegas > mkbruin, Atlas VP
05/11/2016 at 15:29

Don’t let the bastards grind you down.

StingrayJake > Ash78, voting early and often
05/11/2016 at 15:45

My company offers a matching contribution to a retirement account up to 6% of your check. At the moment I can’t afford to be making retirement deposits, but when I first started here a co-worker scoffed at me and said I was throwing money away by not contributing. He said the 6% was better than any raise I would get.

We get two reviews a year with a chance for a raise each period. I’ve only had one and got slightly under 2%.

Now 4% a year isn’t totally awful vs. the national average, but I was told in the interview process that my first few raises would be the highest because that’s when people make the most performance gains before plateauing. Let me tell you how excited I am to see that “slightly under 2%” decrease over time.

gogmorgo - rowing gears in a Grand Cherokee > mkbruin, Atlas VP
05/11/2016 at 15:53

Just had more or less the same thing happen to me. But maybe worse. My manager was hospitalized a couple months ago (pretty seriously) and the interim one was also filling a role for another who got canned so had a lot on his plate, and as a result the only two people in our office with knowledge of what we’re working on are me and an admin. I’ve only been on short terms, getting extended again and again (because of stupid HR policies that prevent hiring long-term staff right now) to keep me around because I’ve been pretty well the glue holding our projects together for the last little bit. After two months of that, suddenly higher-ups thrust a new interim manager at us who had just transferred back here after a term somewhere else. He has no knowledge of what’s going on and had never worked for our department here. But on the first afternoon in the position (while he’s still trying to do his other job and hire someone to fill it temporarily) I mention that my term was up in two weeks, and the next day he says he can find no evidence of any intentions to keep me around, and tells me that I’m not needed (stops just short of calling me useless). So now on Monday I’m starting a customer service position, and I’ve been through the whole ordeal with the union and HR and there’s nothing I can do except reapply and interview and everything for my current job when it comes up in a month or so. And I know that’s happening because yesterday he asked me for my work plan to help him hire my replacement.
But then just now (literally as I was about to hit publish) he tells us he’s leaving in a month for good because he got a permanent position somewhere else, which was given to him a week before he started as our interim manager.

WiscoProud > mkbruin, Atlas VP
05/11/2016 at 15:58

That sucks man. Can you talk to your old manager or someone who knows what all you've done?

Ash78, voting early and often > StingrayJake
05/11/2016 at 16:02

Many people initially scoff at this, but you’re better off contributing that 6%, getting the “free” 6% from the company (I’m assuming they match fully up to that level, which is STRONG), and then taking early withdrawals from that money INSTEAD of saving pure cash. This rubs people the wrong way because they thing “NO wai u should not steal foum ur ret1remen7!!” but if you run the numbers — even after tax and 10% penalty — you’re still well ahead of just saving your own cash from your paycheck. It's the closest thing to a Perpetual Motion Money Machine that I can offer. I feel your pain, we can't afford contributions right now because of healthcare increases. Which sucks, but hopefully next year.

DynamicWeight > mkbruin, Atlas VP
05/11/2016 at 19:03

Go over his head and keep going to get what you deserve. It yours, take it.

RacinBob > mkbruin, Atlas VP
05/11/2016 at 19:36

Not sure how to read this. I presume you get a chance to write your accomplishments right. If it went so wrong, what happened - Did the manager not agree with what you wrote? or did you not not accurately deliver what you claimed? Or did you not write up a good description?

If there is a huge mismatch between your perception of performance and your new boss’s, you have a problem that you need to work out. S—t happens, you get to decide what happens next........

Nimbus The Legend - Riding on air like a cloud > mkbruin, Atlas VP
05/11/2016 at 20:32

That happened to me once, luckily i was sitting on an offer from a from a competitor, so i jumped ship... the manager was so busy, he forgot to make me sign a non compete and a non disclosure!